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jason hill Government The Blood Covenant 828	Posted - 2016.01.18 19:55:38 - [1] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Obil Que wrote: Rivr Luzade wrote: Alavaria Fera wrote: Your intuition that they weren't aiming for people to stack SP on their 80mil+ SP charcaters is correct. Your idea (and CCP's) of how new players should be introduced to the game is troublesome - very troublesome. Current: Sorry Tommy, you can't play with us because you don't have X skill. Please wait [insert long wait time here] before you can come play with the big boys. Or you can spend hundreds of dollars buying PLEX to buy a character and give up your current character. Future: Hey Tommy, come play with us. Here's some SP to get you started. If you need more, you can get a jump start with a PLEX or two if you want to skip a couple weeks or a month of waiting. Future Tommy seems to have better options... Current: "Hey Tommy, you can't fly a HAC yet, but here is an alternative tech1 ship with tech1 items you can fly and still come along, and when you CAN fly that HAC, you will have a sense of accomplishment from the time you put in as well as how you had to learn which skills to train. Future: "Who is Tommy? Oh yea, that guy we gave some skills to that got bored within a week because everything was handed to him, thus preventing him from developing any sense of accomplishment or ownership in the game. I heard he's playing World of Warships now". Some people (including some at CCP) don't really understand the draw of this game, now do they? this is mainly because most of CCP employees weren't around at the very beginning of the game and don't really understand the "learning curve" most of the player base have gone through ... an example of this is the removal of the learning skills them selves they removed those skills with no consultation with the player base .Sadly it appears to me that this "new crop" of CCp employees that work there appear to come in with this "ive got a really innovative idea that we should implement " without really understanding the culture that has developed in the community over the decades .... PS 140 million SP character adding his tuppence worth .
jason hill Government The Blood Covenant 830	Posted - 2016.01.18 20:12:52 - [2] - Quote so im thinking this is P2W by the back door ? what a novel way of really pissing off the player base when we have expressly said we do not want this model ! I played a crappy little kindle game on my way to work ...and got chatting to an alliance leader in this kindle game and he let slip that over the space of eight months he had spent over $ 1200 ...... I quit my account as soon as I got to work !
jason hill Government The Blood Covenant 830	Posted - 2016.01.18 20:40:26 - [3] - Quote Jasem Ormand wrote: I'm new player, can I buy my way to gain SP as much as a 10 year old player via PLEX? THIS ! can I buy enough skills that I can fly a TITAN please ....with absaloutly no experience of actually flying the damned thing ! and the pain and mental hardship of actualy training for it !
jason hill Government The Blood Covenant 831	Posted - 2016.01.18 21:33:47 - [4] - Quote Right that's it ....ccp himller I'm calling you out !!! Have you been window shopping for -ú1000 jeans AGAIN !!! Are you after another "burn Nita" have you learned nothing over the years !! Your starting to make the little baby Jesus cry ! Listen( once to the bloody player base) in
jason hill Government The Blood Covenant 832	Posted - 2016.01.18 22:09:54 - [5] - Quote And they are going to make a bucket load off valk they are first to market with valk.... I know this cos I'm one of them ...then they throw this into the mix ...meh
jason hill Government The Blood Covenant 832	Posted - 2016.01.18 22:54:30 - [6] - Quote Demica Diaz wrote: There are many games atm that are made to be hard and tedious until player swings his credit card and world is smiling again. I know CCP is not that type of company but EVE isnt exactly Hello Kitty Online. I really hope new bro wont see EVE Online as one of "those" games. On the other. As somewhat older player I love feature to get rid of useless skills I trained. yeah but wasn't training that "useless skill" your choice to train ...until you realised that it was actually useless ? its part and parcel of what eve is ...imo
jason hill Government The Blood Covenant 832	Posted - 2016.01.18 23:13:42 - [7] - Quote Tyberius Franklin wrote: jason hill wrote: yeah but wasn't training that "useless skill" your choice to train ...until you realised that it was actually useless ? its part and parcel of what eve is ...imo Not sure this argument even holds fully true with the number of skills that have changed function or prerequisites that have shifted. well actually it does ... the learning skills as an example .....but we got recompensed for those particular ones .
jason hill Government The Blood Covenant 832	Posted - 2016.01.18 23:26:29 - [8] - Quote Tyberius Franklin wrote: jason hill wrote: Tyberius Franklin wrote: jason hill wrote: yeah but wasn't training that "useless skill" your choice to train ...until you realised that it was actually useless ? its part and parcel of what eve is ...imo Not sure this argument even holds fully true with the number of skills that have changed function or prerequisites that have shifted. well actually it does ... the learning skills as an example .....but we got recompensed for those particular ones . Actually they don't since as you said, they were refunded. They are no longer a choice made under now irrelevant information. They are a choice that was removed, as opposed to those that remain, but were changed in some way. still irrelevant ...as its still your choice to train any particular skill ..wether you utilise it or not is your choice due to your particular playing style ...personally im trained to dread pilot lvl 5 ..but have never used it ... but at the time it was a requirement of my particular corp ... ho hum .... im a carrier pilot ..
jason hill Government The Blood Covenant 834	Posted - 2016.01.19 00:01:13 - [9] - Quote Tyberius Franklin wrote: jason hill wrote: still irrelevant ...as its still your choice to train any particular skill ..wether you utilise it or not is your choice due to your particular playing style ...personally im trained to dread pilot lvl 5 ..but have never used it ... but at the time it was a requirement of my particular corp ... ho hum .... im a carrier pilot .. You're not following. I'm not talking about skills someone told you to train, which BTW that sounds like I corp I'd never want to join, but rather skills that have either changed in function or prerequisite, or even skills that function the same primarily, but aren't needed for a particular playstyle due to game changes. You can't argue an informed decision was made there, and your own choice to knowingly waste training time doesn't compare. lol ..I think your sort of missing my point and we are both getting off topic alas whatever skill you train is not essentially irrelevant . back in 2003/4 I elected to train all the E/W skills that were then available ...knowing full well that the only available ship at that particular time was the blackbird ...and tbh ...it was hopeless ...and everybody mocked me ...and lo and behold E/w all of a sudden ...was the next big thing ...and to a point still plays a semi major role in most fleet events ... so who was the mug ...me sitting on the already trained skills ..or those that thought they were worthless ... you decide . I wont mention the miner2 snafu or the T20 situation as those events don't apply to this particular snafu...some peeps forget ...there are those of us that have been around ...for quite sometime
jason hill Government The Blood Covenant 834	Posted - 2016.01.19 00:09:51 - [10] - Quote Tyberius Franklin wrote: jason hill wrote: lol ..I think your sort of missing my point and we are both getting off topic alas whatever skill you train is not essentially irrelevant . back in 2003/4 I elected to train all the E/W skills that were then available ...knowing full well that the only available ship at that particular time was the blackbird ...and tbh ...it was hopeless ...and everybody mocked me ...and lo and behold E/w all of a sudden ...was the next big thing ...and to a point still plays a semi major role in most fleet events ... so who was the mug ...me sitting on the already trained skills ..or those that thought they were worthless ... you decide . Still missing it, think less, unpopular function and more, what it does now isn't what it did when I trained it, IE: Advanced industry, formerly Material efficiency, a skill I would never have to lvl 5 had I known what was coming, but at the time I trained it I had no way of knowing. wasn't that an "optional skill train" rather than a compulsory skill train ? .... that was your decision to train it .learning skill were ...compulsory

jason hill Government The Blood Covenant 839	Posted - 2016.01.19 20:10:41 - [11] - Quote Josef Djugashvilis wrote: Soldarius wrote: Okay, I've read enough salt-encrusted posts by entitled whiners. This is my main. There are many like it. But this one is mine. I would never consider selling it. But I would consider selling off some misplaced SP because I had no one to tell me what was good to train or even for what learning skills were used back in 2009. I have completely wasted SP in mining and industry on this toon. I want to sell them. I really don't care what my SP total is, other than as some sort of vague e-peen wagging. Sure it feels good to look at it and occasionally take it out and blow my load all over someone. But it is not what makes Soldarius Soldarius. It is, like everything else on the character sheet, a part of the character. Even if I do not choose to use any of the various character modification options that CCP has given us, I am glad to know they are there. So if I want to modify my clothes, my portrait, my ships, or soon my SP allocations, I can. If there is one thing I have learned about Eve, it is that your irl wallet size is not directly proportional to your skill in game. TMC, EN24, and others are packed full of articles showcasing potatoes that think eve is p2w. They pull out dad's credit card and plex their way to that all purple marauder and think they are invincible. I don't care how many SP you have or how many purples you have. If you don't know how to play the game and whip out your wallet on day 1, you will still get #HAZED mercilessly until you either HTFU or gb2wow. On the other hand, if this gives a noob some incentive to farm up for a bit and accelerate himself into some of those low-SP doctrine ships like Svipuls, Caracals, T1 logi, or a Celestis for FU fleet, I'm okay with that. I don't doubt for a minute the most wealthy entities will throw injectors onto the market at cost in their local trade hub. Or maybe even give them away as an incentive to join. Jita injectors will get manipulated. New stuff always does. As far as SP-farming, if it is profitable, I will do it. For me, that would be if I can make enough to pay for the extractors for one month of training + 1 PLEX per account. I might even pay PLEX to do multi-character training if there is enough profit in it. My goal would be to net 1 PLEX per month per character. One of the few posts that made any sense or showed any redeeming qualities was the suggestion of having SP packs that focus on specific skills. I think that's a capital idea. Then CCP shoyuld just gift new players X amount of skill points. THIS ... If CCP are so concerned about the new player then they should gift them say ...20million ?. SP ...and how they use them ...well that entirely up to them to figure out wether in a corp with advice ..or by their own judgment . simple solution to this problem .
jason hill Government The Blood Covenant 843	Posted - 2016.01.20 19:39:38 - [12] - Quote im grabbing another bag of popcorn ! while this FLAMEFEST continues !
jason hill Government The Blood Covenant 843	Posted - 2016.01.21 19:47:59 - [13] - Quote Paul Miromme wrote: After some thought about this upcoming 'Feature' I've come to the conclusion that it is terrible.... I got into this game a few years back, infact the odd occasional trial at first way back when; untill I had my own internet connection Part of the allure of Eve was the Skill systems implementation , you just had to wait & you had time to get to grips with what you could fly. Now with this system I feel that CCP are cheepening the experience in a major way. Okay it seems allright to some, but I'd bet they have -ú-ú to burn in order to get to areas of the game that would have taken ages to reach. This is the problem it kind of makes the game experience cheep in that you don't live Eve anymore but buy it. (Have the UK Tory party been chatting to CCP High Command?) It will just expand the difference between low SP pilots & vetrans, thus creating even more of a divide in new Eden. I feel the sense of acheivability would be weakend for the new scrubs cutting their teeth, it may even fuel debt, theiving & family strife as little johnny needs to have a better range of ships to fly. Sorry I can't get behind this Feature. sorry ...but I cant see the correlation between the UK Tory party and herr Hilmar ?
jason hill Government The Blood Covenant 843	Posted - 2016.01.21 22:19:08 - [14] - Quote Josef Djugashvilis: wrote: I look forward to someone from CCP telling us that they are pleased with the overwhelmingly positive response to 'cash for skills' in this thread. Isn't gonna happen alas ccp current attitude alas is a fu playerbase this is how it's gonna be..like it or fkn lump it !
jason hill Government The Blood Covenant 848	Posted - 2016.01.27 10:49:53 - [15] - Quote Heres a really "off the wall idea " ..if CCP are so desperate for a ca$h injection ....then why dont they just sell blocks of shares to the player base.....and end this nonsence of a P2W model for once and for all. theres a fair few relativley affluent players ingame that I reckon would be more than happy to invest
jason hill Government The Blood Covenant 849	Posted - 2016.02.04 19:11:58 - [16] - Quote I think I`m going to express my anger at this change ....in the form of expressive dance !
jason hill Government The Blood Covenant 854	Posted - 2016.02.18 20:19:07 - [17] - Quote Tyberius Franklin wrote: jason hill wrote: yeah but wasn't training that "useless skill" your choice to train ...until you realised that it was actually useless ? its part and parcel of what eve is ...imo Not sure this argument even holds fully true with the number of skills that have changed function or prerequisites that have shifted. To an extent and in a way your 100% correct .Hence removing the learning skills ... I was bloody furious when they were removed yes ok we got the a refund ...but we weren't refunded for the time it took to train them AFAIK . Like I said in one of my previous posts this new crop of Devs don't have the same vision that the original devs had hence their "im stamping my foot on the game mechanics"